Interview with Ron Paul 7/19/2007 health care part2

25 Comments on Interview with Ron Paul 7/19/2007 health care part2

homersparents on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 12:44 am


its also only mentioned in preamble. preamble is not law but rather a description of law about to be given. the enumerated powers are the actual law and congress may use those powers to provide for the common welfare. they may also use those powers to ensure domestic tranquility and so on

they may not use powers not enumerated in the constitution. they may not go beyond the scope of the enumerated powers to provide for the thing promised in the preamble.

gn0m1k on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 1:34 am


Look, the rich have no control over what you buy or don’t buy, government does. (making certain drugs illegal, propping up monopolies through legislation). Everyone can get what they “want and deserve” by choosing what healthcare coverage they want from a private company. What part of this is so hard to understand?

You have masochistic and sadistic mixed up.

Why would businesses like to see lower and middle classes “grovel and beg” when they need their money to survive?

odetomy on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 1:54 am


If politicians and some rich refuse to let the mass have the kind of healthcare they know their nation needs, they run into obsticals. However, those things can be overcome and eventually the masses will get what they want and deserve, despite the greedy people (still hanging onto power). You’re right, as a whole, people are not masochistic. It’s just a few who like seeing the lower and middle classes grovel, beg, and pay insurance companies (the rich have stock in) that are the problem.

gn0m1k on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 2:29 am


If a specific healthcare business is bad for society, people will not utilize their services. They will go to a healthcare business that is “good” for society, because generally people are not masochistic.

gn0m1k on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 2:35 am


Healthcare is a human right? So it precedes the right to life, liberty, and happiness from the doctor’s standpoint?

Actually, privatized health care is best for society because it’s voluntary for each individual involved. You vote with your money.

I don’t see how people are better when they support a system funded by theft(public) rather than by voluntarism(private).

odetomy on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 3:05 am


One has to support it, to promote it. Guess only smart people can figure that one out too. Apparently, it takes some people losing their butts and not having a dime to their name to finally care and support something that is for the wellbeing of all of society. In the meantime, they would rather blindly, stupidly, help in the demise of it, all for the sake of greed and holding onto those high-class ammenities/liabilities like for-profit healthcare.

odetomy on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 3:46 am


It doesn’t need any changing. A person’s heart and their care about others, as well as themselves, determines how they view it. Some people just want to feel superior to other people and pay into a scam system (based soley on profit) and screw themselves over, than do what is best for the whole of society and share in the cost. They can’t seem to understand that healthcare is a human right.

alby711 on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 4:10 am


the keyword in that statement is to PROMOTE the general welfare not BECOME the welfare. So to me there is no interpretation its plain and simple. But I guess not everyone is smart lol jk

gn0m1k on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 4:29 am


the general welfare clause needs to be specified or taken out completely as it is so vague and can be interpreted in so many ways.

gn0m1k on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 5:27 am


Giving health care status of a human right also gives coercion a human right. Via forcing another human to maintain your health regardless if he wants to or not.

Schools would allow the “poor” and “dumb” to attend because they would gain popularity and profit/donations because our culture largly likes to help poor people.

Your last sentence sounds like public school industrial revolution propaganda. Living conditions prior were worse. Capital = civilization.

gn0m1k on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 5:40 am


Why should they be a “shared, socialized, funded system” ?

I, a person, don’t feel confident in my government’s ability to fund wars and create phone tapping commitees.

I don’t feel confident in anything my government does due to it’s philosophical foundation and it’s empirical existance and the effects of such.

gn0m1k on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 6:06 am


Capitalism doesn’t just work for the benefit of companies, it works for the benefit of everyone. Sure, companies profit. How do they profit? By selling good(s) and/or service(s) that benefit the consumer. Capitalism is the worship of the individual. None of this forced collectivization nonsense and illogical authority.

Your next point has nothing to do with capitalism. Just the left-right paradigm and mercantilism.

odetomy on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 7:05 am


You too.

Seiku on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 7:54 am


Valid point on the subject of states. Interesting, i’ll check the videos out.

Takecare

odetomy on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 8:09 am


Some good videos to watch about HR 676 are “Don’t Be A Chicken” and “Put The Piggy In It’s Place.” Or just type “HR 676″ and you will see all kinds of videos on it. Google is a great source for looking up the HR 676 bill and information about it. The healthcare-now web site is just one of such places for this information.

odetomy on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 8:41 am


However, California actually passed a bill very similiar to HR 676, but their governor (the Terminator. lol.) vetoed it. Otherwise, California would have had universal single-payer health insurance. Maybe if they keep trying and get a new govenor, they will finally get it. It might happen before HR 676gets passed. You never know.
In your research, keep in mind that HR 676 is socialized INSURANCE, not medicine. Meaning the government won’t control medical facilities, just the cost aspect.

odetomy on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 9:37 am


I still think it should be funded nationally, because then there won’t be any problems with people traveling from state to state, who might need health care. Plus, some states might be on-board, while others won’t, unless it’s Federally mandated.
..to be continued…

Seiku on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 10:13 am


Havent read HR 676 yet so I don’t have an opinion on it.

I was thinking about how libraries are funded and thought why dont we fund healthcare by local/state govs instead of a national thing. I am personaly against the federal government doing what theyre not supposed to and I believe in state rights. Curious to know if anyone considered states to run their own healthcare programs and probably an additional program at state level to support those who are unable to afford. What do you think?

odetomy on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 11:03 am


No hospital I know does that. Believe me, I’ve dealt with hospitals before over medical bills and it’s either pay up or get sued!
Some libraries might be privately funded, because they sprung up on their on with such support, otherwise they are publically funded.
Libraries are funded different from health care because it is in a different department. They don’t belong to the same program. Of course, health care is more important and will be funded as such, if we get HR 676.

Seiku on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 11:49 am


Thank you for your well wishes & concern.
To clerify, providing libraries, the way taxes are collected is different compared to healthcare/welfare programs. Not to mention many libraries are supported by private organizations and/or donations.

Lets us also not ignore some hospitols who do support and care for the people who are unable to afford healthcare giving them help and plans. Check out 20/20 Sick in America w/ John Stossel. That sort of supports my view on healthcare.

Takecare.

odetomy on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 12:19 pm


Try typing “Despotism” or “fun with fascism” on Youtube and see if anything rings a bell.

odetomy on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 12:59 pm


Seiku, I hope you don’t get really sick or have a bad medical tragedy. By they way, I never said sharing health care was like borrowing a book. But since you mentioned it, universal health care is more important than borrowing a book and really should be easier to do. Other countries have figured out how to do it and I believe we should too. They understand the importance of life over the almighty dollar. That’s something we could learn from them.

odetomy on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 1:38 pm


Think long and hard about this strict constitutional crap. It’s to fool people into thinking they have some kind of say in something. It’s really an enslavement for you children, grandchildren, etc. Without some government involvement, we have either anarchy or total capitalism. Neither are good. That’s why our forefathers wanted a government FOR the people, BY the people. WE are the government and should keep a balance between social sharing and capital gain. That’s why we need HR 676!

odetomy on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 1:54 pm


As for the current dumbing-down of America, with the “No Child Left Behind Act”….who do we blame for that?? BUSH and his Republican cronies!! Whether people want to see it or not, people like Bush and Ron Paul are intentionally trying to dumb-us-down and keep us that way. If you don’t get a good education, or can’t afford one, that means no good job and no ownership of property or land. That way, money and opportunity will stay in the rich families and the rest of us are screwed!!

odetomy on Tue, 1st Jun 2010 2:07 pm


Seiku, first of all, we should provide health insurance through our taxes, instead of relying on private insurance companies. I believe health care is a human right and nothing you say can covince me otherwise. I don’t believe ALL Republicans are bad, but more are than not. I believe it’s just as easy to use and pay the HR 676 insurance platform as pay a fireman’s salary. How come a person’s health isn’t as important as a burning house, freeway, or police protection? It doesn’t make sense!

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